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[Iggy Pop]:
Previously on Punk...
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"Hey, man!" Pow!
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They just started calling it hardcore.
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"Who could name a band
such a thing?"
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"Bang-atta-bang-atta-bang-atta!
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Ba-bah! Blap-bang!"
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Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom!
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What the fuck?
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[♪♪♪]
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"Man, I think
I love punk rock."
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[♪♪♪]
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Pow! Pow!
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We were like, "Taxi!"
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Punk rock was never a career choice.
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[chuckles] It just wasn't.
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You were in it for the music,
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and drinking beer with your friends,
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and talking conspiracy theories,
or whatever.
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[Jim Lindberg]:
It was never something
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where, like, "Oh, if we do
this and this,
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then we're going to get signed,
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and then we're going to get
the big house, and the cars,
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and the chicks."
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But we very much wanted
to be in the mainstream.
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We wanted to infiltrate the masses,
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we wanted to be on MTV,
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we wanted to be on the radio.
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Well, there's more people
to hear what you have to say,
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provided you have anything to say.
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But being a rock star was like
a four-letter word, you know?
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It was, like,
you got called a rock star,
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it could've been, like,
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the biggest insult of your entire life.
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[Kathleen Hanna]:
But, you know, sometimes
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things that are actually
really good go mainstream.
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[Ian MacKaye]: My feeling
is that punk was a gift,
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and that if you receive the gift,
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and you take care of the gift,
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and you give it to somebody,
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it replicates, and you have another one,
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then you can give it
to somebody else, right?
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At some point,
some people receive that gift,
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and when they polish it,
they think, "Oh, I can sell it,"
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but when you sell it, it's fuckin' gone.
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The thing about being
in a band in the early '80s
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and the mid-'80s is there wasn't...
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there was no hope
of ever being successful,
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because all that was on MTV
was hair metal,
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which is so terrible,
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and then these '80s bands
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singing stupid songs about dinosaurs,
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and dragons, and...
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and, uh, how many ways
there are to rock,
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and who can you salute for rocking.
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So there's no way
we're going to make a living,
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which is why so many bands
broke up in the '80s,
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and NOFX, luckily, uh...
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we're alcoholics, and we like touring,
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so we just stayed together,
'cause touring is fun.
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What else are you going to do?
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I was working a 9-to-5 job
at a media company,
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wearing a suit and tie,
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and then at night
I would go play these shows,
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and, like, hardcore punk shows,
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and one time I came in
with a broken nose,
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and everyone at the place
thought that I got a nose job.
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[Noodles]: I was a janitor
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at the high school that we all went to,
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and I realized that was a dead-end job,
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so I got a job as a...
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as a head custodian
at an elementary school,
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you know, where I got to wear
a bigger badge,
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and make more important decisions.
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I was still a janitor
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when we did our first two
cross-country tours,
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and our first tour of Europe,
really, in support of...
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supporting NOFX over there.
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[Fat Mike]:
I was about to quit NOFX.
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We did our first European tour in 1988.
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That's before we got good,
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because we were really, really terrible,
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so bad that halfway through
our European tour,
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we switched slots with the opening band,
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and they started headlining.
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This is true.
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But the last night of our tour,
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we played with Fugazi in Amsterdam,
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and this girl from the Yeastie Girls
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played me Bad Religion
"Suffer."
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♪ Did you ever see
the concrete stares ♪
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♪ Of every day? ♪
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♪ The lunatic, the hypocrite
are all lost in the fray ♪
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♪ Can't you see their lives
are just like yours? ♪
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♪ An unturned stone
an undiscovered door ♪
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♪ Leading to
the gift of hope renewed ♪
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♪ Eternity for you ♪
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♪ The masses of humanity
have always had to suffer... ♪
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"Suffer" changed NOFX.
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That's when I remembered,
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"Wow, punk rock is so good.
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Why are we playing hardcore?
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Why are we yelling,
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when we could write good songs,
and sing,
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and use words that are big?"
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And so you have melodic harmonies,
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five-dollar words
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you end up looking in the dictionary,
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saying, you know,
"What the hell did I just hear?"
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I mean, I think to this day,
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that record stands up
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as some of the best lyrics out there,
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and it just inspired us,
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and all of us got together
and said, you know,
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"Let's start a band.
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We want to do the same thing
as Bad Religion."
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[crowd cheering]
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Thank you.
Thank you very much.
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[Brett Gurewitz]: I think
the unique thing about "Suffer"
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is how melodic it was, and...
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"Suffer" sounded really good,
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because I had been
a full-time recording engineer.
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I had run an indie label.
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It's almost like I went to,
you know, music boot camp
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and learned every possible aspect.
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I must have done
10,000 hours of recording.
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I mean, I was eating,
drinking, breathing recording.
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If you had a band in L.A.,
I would record you.
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For 200 bucks, I'd make you a record,
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and I'd make it in 48 hours
and not sleep.
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That was my life,
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and I always thought
that our first records
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sounded crap.
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"Well, it'll be fun
to write a new record,
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but it would be really fun
to record a new record,
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because I can make us
sound good," you know?
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I always thought that
those major-label punk bands
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always sounded so great,
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and the L.A. hardcore bands
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always sounded so shite, you know,
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because nobody could afford
to record anything, you know,
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but "Suffer" was like a calling card,
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and many of the punk bands
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came to me
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because they wanted
that Westbeach sound,
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and if they were good,
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I would say, "Hey, can I put out
your record on Epitaph?"
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And so I signed NOFX,
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I signed the Offspring,
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I signed Pennywise, I signed Rancid,
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and I literally didn't sign
anybody in between.
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Those were all the bands I signed,
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but at the time,
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and a lot of people watching this show
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might not realize it,
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it was hard to find punk rock...
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...but, you know, one time
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I was sitting
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on Santa Monica Boulevard,
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and I get a phone call,
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and the guy on the other end
says, "Hey, is this Epitaph?
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This is Kelly Slater.
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I'm a surfer,
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[Lindberg]: I think
the whole skate/surf scene
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was something that
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a certain brand of individual
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and that being,
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I guess, a delinquent.
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The straight kids played baseball,
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and basketball, and football.
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The guy who wanted
to jump on his skateboard
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and fly down the hill
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or paddle out when the waves were huge,
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that's a different brand of individual.
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So you're not going to listen
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or Fleetwood Mac.
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You're going to listen to Bad Brains
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and some music that's going
to get your blood pumping.
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[Gurewitz]: So I started
providing music for free
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to the producers
of skate and surf videos.
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"All I want you to do
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is put on the screen
the name of the song
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and the name of the group,"
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and, you know,
they'd be skating to NOFX,
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or they'd be skating to Rancid, right,
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or surfing to Bad Religion,
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and suddenly, you know,
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it became the thing to listen to
if you were a skate kid.
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So punk was really starting to grow,
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yet it was still invisible.
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grunge was on everybody's radar.
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[Dave Grohl]: Before everything
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there was such a thing
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there was a Boston thing,
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there was a New York thing,
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and I think
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that had to do with
some kind of isolation,
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you know, which...
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I don't think anything's
isolated anymore,
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but, of all places,
Seattle was very isolated.
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It was just so fucking far away.
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Say you're in a punk rock band,
and you're on tour,
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and you've got to get from Minneapolis
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to San Francisco,
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you're not going to fuckin'
go around the horn
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up the Pacific Northwest.
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You don't have the money,
you don't have the time,
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you know, so you skip it,
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and in that, I think
that Seattle wound up
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with this beautiful isolation
and independence.
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Like, you know,
"We don't need anybody else,"
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so they did their own thing.
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♪ I need an easy friend ♪
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♪ I do, with an ear to lend ♪
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♪ I do pick a number too ♪
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♪ I do keep a date with you ♪
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♪ I'll take advantage
while... ♪
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[Grohl]: If you've ever
spent time in Seattle,
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you'd understand
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why a lot of the music
is really fuckin' dark.
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There's a lot of rain,
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there's a lot of heroin,
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there's a lot of alcoholics,
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and so you just stay inside
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and fuckin'... play.
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I think that Seattle has
a somewhat healthy
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and somewhat annoying, um...
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disdain for L.A.,
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and L.A. fashion,
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and L.A. douchebaggery
in general.
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For grunge, it was like,
"Okay, enough with this, like,
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New Wave band
on a sailing ship, you know,
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with hot models all over the place,"
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or, you know,
smell-the-glove metal bands
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with spandex and makeup
and all that stuff,
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whereas up in Seattle, they looked just
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very, like, you know,
the gas station attendant,
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as so many people complain
about that look, or whatever,
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but it was kind of like
what we looked like too,
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only we had...
maybe a little...
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We had more style.
[chuckling]
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But, you know, I would say that
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a couple of grunge's greatest legacies,
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in my opinion,
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is that grunge sort of
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made misogyny in rock really uncool.
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[♪♪♪]
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I also think that the grunge era
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had a lot of women playing in bands...
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hard rock bands, aggressive bands,
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and I hear from young women a lot
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that they feel like that was
sort of the golden era
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of women in bands...
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...but with L7,
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I did not want a gender-reference name.
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I wanted people to hear us,
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and not be able to tell
what sex we were.
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You know, like, there was always
attention put on,
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as a marketing tool, the gender,
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and we didn't want any part of that.
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[♪♪♪]
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We refused "women in rock"
issues of magazines.
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We would decline those interviews.
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We wanted to be viewed
as a band in our own right,
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without having those
kind of... uh...
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You know, 'cause
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if they put you
in the "women in rock" issue,
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you're not going to get
in the real issue,
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but then Riot Grrrl
flipped that on its head
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and said, "We don't care
about being in your issue.
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We're going to start
our own fanzines."
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Hi, we're Bikini Kill.
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We're from Washington, D.C.
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[applause and cheering]
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[♪♪♪]
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♪ That girl ♪
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♪ Thinks she's the queen
of the neighborhood ♪
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♪ She's got
the hottest trike in town ♪
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♪ That girl, she holds
her head up so high ♪
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♪ I think I wanna be
her best friend, yeah ♪
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♪ Rebel girl, rebel girl ♪
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♪ Rebel girl, you are
the queen of my world ♪
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♪ Rebel girl, rebel girl... ♪
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[Kathleen Hanna]: For me,
Riot Grrrl was very selfish...
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because I was in a band,
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and I was singing lyrics
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that were directed at other women,
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and the only people
who were at the shows,
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mostly, were white guys,
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and that wasn't who my music was for.
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So I had to make sure
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that more women came to the shows.
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So Riot Grrrl was a zine
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that was started in the summer of 1991,
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and it was just, like,
this little thing,
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and it was, like, kind of
about what it felt like
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to be a girl in the punk rock scene
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at the time,
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and it was a way to communicate,
and also to, like...
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You know, you play punk shows,
and the P.A.s are shit.
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Like, nobody can understand
what you're saying,
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and so we had lyrics in our zines,
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and, you know, kind of manifestos
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of what we were trying to do,
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so when we did play shows,
people could get our zines,
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and take it home, and be like,
"Oh, that wasn't a mirage.
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That actually was
a feminist band."
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I mean, the thing about Bikini Kill was
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we actually got shit
from, like, day one.
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You know, there were, like,
people in Olympia
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who were just, like...
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They were so angry at us,
which I didn't understand.
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It was, like, "How dare you,
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like, speak about this unspeakable stuff
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in front of people?"
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Even a lot of women
who ended up maybe benefiting
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from the feminist ideas
that Riot Grrrl brought out
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at first were very upset about it.
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Like, I remember Bratmobile,
my friend's band,
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guys in the crowd saying stuff,
literally saying stuff like,
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"I want to kill that singer.
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I want to strangle her."
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I remember at that moment
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being like, "What we're doing
is really important."
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So this fake abortion clinic
came to Olympia, Washington.
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They're, like, you know,
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a place that says, like,
"Are you pregnant?
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Are you in trouble?
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Come here,"
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and then you go in there,
and they're like,
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"Look at these pictures
of dead babies in garbage cans.
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You're a murderer.
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You can't do this.
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You should raise your child,
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but we're not going to help you,"
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and Tobi Vail, my bandmate,
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was dating Kurt,
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and we were really...
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Me and Kurt were talking about it,
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and we're like, "That's messed up.
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Like, these young girls
are going to go in there
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and get totally fucking guilt-tripped
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and not have abortions,"
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so we got binoculars and Canadian Club
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and went into the woods
across the street,
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and then, when there were
no cars coming,
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I ran across the street,
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and painted with, you know, spray paint,
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"Fake Abortion Clinic" on the side,
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'cause I wasn't as artistic as he was,
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and then we got drunker
and drunker and drunker,
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drunker, drunker, drunker,
drunker, drunker, and drunker...
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and we ended up back
at Kurt and Dave's apartment,
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and when I woke up,
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I had written all this shit
on the walls in Sharpie marker,
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like, "Kurt is the keeper
of the kennel."
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Like, it all started with "Kurt,"
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like, "Kurt is this, Kurt is that,"
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and so I wrote, like,
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"Kurt smells like Teen Spirit,"
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which was a deodorant,
an underarm deodorant,
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and it's just a funny name,
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and then, I guess,
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Kurt had this song,
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and he didn't know what to call it,
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and he decided to call it
"Smells Like Teen Spirit,"
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but he didn't know it was a deodorant,
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and I didn't tell him.
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[♪♪♪]
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[♪♪♪]
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[singing along]
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[♪♪♪]
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♪ Load up on guns ♪
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♪ Bring your friends ♪
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♪ It's fun to lose
and to pretend ♪
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♪ She's over-bored... ♪
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[Fat Mike]:
Most people remember
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the first time they heard Nirvana.
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They remember where they were,
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and I remember the car I was in
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and who I was with when
I first heard "Teen Spirit,"
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and it was...
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"Fuck, this record is...
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finally, America can listen
to good music," you know?
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Somebody who could sing, and write,
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and sing lyrics that didn't
have to make sense, and...
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[groaning]
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Such a powerful, yet stripped-down,
402
00:18:55,210 --> 00:18:58,160
and really kind of
a dark song, you know?
403
00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:02,190
It's not about girls and cars, you know?
404
00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:04,000
It's serious.
405
00:19:04,020 --> 00:19:05,080
I was like, "Man,
406
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there's melodic hooks
to this stuff."
407
00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:09,040
It sounds really rough,
408
00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:11,170
but you can hear there's
a great songwriter in there.
409
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:14,210
Nirvana made it
so the whole world took notice.
410
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:18,020
When I hear that song,
I just think of my generation.
411
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You know, it's, like,
great fuckin' bass playing,
412
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great guitar playing, beautiful...
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I mean, the sound, the sonic sound was,
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of that record,
415
00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:29,110
just, like, was revolutionary.
416
00:19:29,130 --> 00:19:30,180
You know, they weren't as fast
417
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,090
as some of the punk bands
that... you know,
418
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most of the punk bands
that I listened to,
419
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but they still had the attitude.
420
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They still had that raw edge
to what they were doing,
421
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even if they weren't quite as up-tempo.
422
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,230
I didn't get the "grunge" title
for them at all.
423
00:19:44,010 --> 00:19:45,020
I might have got it
424
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,100
for some of the other
more metal, slowed-down,
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kind of grinding bands,
426
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but I thought Nirvana were a punk band
427
00:19:51,050 --> 00:19:53,020
that just weren't as up-tempo.
428
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,140
Is there anything the same
429
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,210
between your music and New Wave?
430
00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:57,020
I think so.
431
00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,050
Like what?
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00:19:58,070 --> 00:20:00,010
Well, like, you know,
433
00:20:00,030 --> 00:20:02,160
New Wave was just
a progression from punk rock,
434
00:20:02,180 --> 00:20:05,020
and a mutation of punk rock, you know,
435
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,120
and it was more commercial
and more palatable, you know?
436
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:09,200
It had, you know, punk rock roots,
437
00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:12,140
and it was easier to swallow
438
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,010
for the media
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00:20:14,030 --> 00:20:15,230
and middle America
440
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and the middle of the world,
441
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,090
and it was just...
442
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You know, that's what I kind of think
443
00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:22,060
about our music.
444
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,130
They had their own
interpretation of punk, I feel.
445
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To me, punk was
a beginning of something.
446
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Life progresses, and music progresses,
447
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,090
and there was a definite need to evolve.
448
00:20:38,110 --> 00:20:39,140
At that time,
449
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,170
there was really not
a lot of rock on the radio.
450
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:43,060
In fact, radio at that time
451
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,230
was very similar
to what's happening today...
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Lightweight pop, and folk,
453
00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:49,210
and sort of synth pop, and dance rock
454
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was sort of the stuff
that was on the radio,
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00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:53,190
and everyone was wondering
456
00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:55,140
if guitars would ever get
on the radio again.
457
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,060
Nirvana "Nevermind" gets on the radio
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00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,040
with "Smells Like Teen Spirit,"
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00:20:59,060 --> 00:21:01,110
and suddenly all the radio stations
460
00:21:01,130 --> 00:21:06,080
are looking for the next big hit
that's got some guitars.
461
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:07,160
I really looked at
that period as like, like...
462
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like, when the Chili Peppers
started touring in 1983,
463
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and all through the '80s, you know,
464
00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:14,060
just playing anywhere, everywhere.
465
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,220
So many bands we played with,
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00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,140
they're all playing this club circuit
467
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,160
that was kind of forged
by, like, Black Flag
468
00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:21,210
and those early punk bands.
469
00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:22,200
When Nirvana made it,
470
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:25,060
it felt like, wow, like...
471
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,120
you know, and they're playing
arenas and stuff.
472
00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:30,020
This is that scene
finally getting its due
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00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,040
in a big way.
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00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:33,050
It couldn't be underground
anymore after that,
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00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:34,050
because then it was like
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the record companies wanted to sign
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every possible band
that might be like that,
478
00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:41,070
and then, finally, it explodes
into this massive thing
479
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in the early '90s.
480
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Well, the band started in 1987
481
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in a small coastal town, in Aberdeen,
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of Aberdeen, Washington,
483
00:21:49,170 --> 00:21:52,190
and we were just jamming in this shack,
484
00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:56,090
and moved out of town.
485
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Started playing gigs in Seattle,
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made a tape,
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00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:04,060
Sub Pop heard it, and...
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00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,090
the rest just keeps snowballing.
489
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[♪♪♪]
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[Kim Thayil]:
Nirvana's success,
491
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,010
it didn't come out of the blue.
492
00:22:13,030 --> 00:22:16,020
It came out of the blue
if you were a record executive.
493
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,010
If you were an Aandamp;R guy,
Nirvana came out of the blue.
494
00:22:19,030 --> 00:22:20,040
They seemed to miss
495
00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:22,120
that another demographic
had established itself
496
00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:24,170
behind the scene, away from them,
497
00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:27,190
by collecting fanzines,
exchanging cassettes,
498
00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:29,040
and going to each other's shows.
499
00:22:29,060 --> 00:22:30,120
It was all off the radar,
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00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:33,130
it wasn't Record Industry
Association of America-approved,
501
00:22:33,150 --> 00:22:35,050
you know, or acknowledged.
502
00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:36,130
There were small labels
503
00:22:36,150 --> 00:22:39,210
that were accounting for
millions and millions of dollars
504
00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:40,200
of record sales,
505
00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:42,120
so it was all waiting to happen.
506
00:22:42,140 --> 00:22:43,180
That market was there.
507
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,190
It was just being ignored.
508
00:22:48,030 --> 00:22:49,200
[Grohl]: We were
as surprised as anyone else
509
00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:52,190
that that album got so big.
510
00:22:52,210 --> 00:22:54,020
For me personally,
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00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,230
my life goal was just
to be able to buy food
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00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:59,130
from playing music.
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00:22:59,150 --> 00:23:00,230
We wanted to be great,
514
00:23:01,010 --> 00:23:03,000
and we wanted people
to love what we did,
515
00:23:03,020 --> 00:23:06,020
but that was a whole other...
516
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,150
That was...
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00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:10,080
What happened with that album
was just a whole other thing.
518
00:23:11,230 --> 00:23:13,020
But we thought,
519
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,070
if there's an appreciation
for this thing that we do,
520
00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:17,080
maybe people will appreciate the bands
521
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:20,100
that made us do what we do,
522
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,200
being able to see a band
like the Bad Brains,
523
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:24,190
or being able to be in a band
524
00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:27,140
without playing like Eddie Van Halen
525
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,220
or Beethoven,
526
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,230
and the raw, passionate,
human emotion and connection
527
00:23:35,010 --> 00:23:39,160
of just sweating and bleeding,
and screaming onstage,
528
00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:40,190
but also, you know,
529
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:43,030
we had this network
of friends and family
530
00:23:43,050 --> 00:23:44,180
within that music scene
531
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,230
to be able to kind of, like,
help us walk through
532
00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,170
this fucking insane thing
that just happened.
533
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,030
[Fat Mike]: Nirvana,
534
00:23:55,050 --> 00:23:56,120
they really did change everything.
535
00:23:56,140 --> 00:23:59,000
They gave us all careers.
536
00:23:59,020 --> 00:24:00,140
It was super exciting.
537
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,010
Even though we weren't part
of that scene,
538
00:24:03,030 --> 00:24:07,160
we had a wave of people
liking alternative music.
539
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,110
[Noodles]:
When Nirvana broke,
540
00:24:15,130 --> 00:24:18,010
and "Nevermind" came out
and that took off,
541
00:24:18,030 --> 00:24:22,150
I mean, that just changed
the face of music completely.
542
00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:24,010
A lot of punk bands
543
00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:25,050
and friends of ours in punk bands
544
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:26,120
were thinking about, "Okay,
545
00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:28,150
we've got to be
a little bit more grungy now,
546
00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:30,130
because this is going,"
547
00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:33,110
and I was like, "The whole game's over.
548
00:24:33,130 --> 00:24:36,170
Let's just do what we do
and see what happens now,
549
00:24:36,190 --> 00:24:39,010
because it's a different world."
550
00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:42,190
The first single we did,
551
00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:44,080
we released it ourselves.
552
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,120
I think Maximum RocknRoll
hated the single,
553
00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:48,020
but we got a review that
we were pretty pleased with
554
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,200
in Flip Side, where they called us
555
00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:52,090
"a tinny little punk band
from Orange County."
556
00:24:52,110 --> 00:24:53,190
You know, we'll take it.
557
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:57,090
Signing with Epitaph
was a big deal for us,
558
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:58,120
and we were stoked
to be working with Brett.
559
00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:00,160
I mean, that's the guy
from Bad Religion.
560
00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:03,100
Those guys were huge, you know, we...
561
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,140
in the punk scene.
562
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,130
I mean, you know,
they weren't huge, you know,
563
00:25:07,150 --> 00:25:08,190
in music.
564
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:10,040
[laughing]
565
00:25:12,050 --> 00:25:13,160
[Gurewitz]:
I had never had any luck
566
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:15,180
sending anything to the radio, really.
567
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,010
15 years earlier,
568
00:25:17,030 --> 00:25:18,150
Rodney on the ROQ played us at midnight,
569
00:25:18,170 --> 00:25:19,220
but, you know, other than that,
570
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,150
it was just strictly college radio
571
00:25:21,170 --> 00:25:22,180
and specialty shows,
572
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,200
but I sent the Offspring's
"Come Out and Play"
573
00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:26,220
to KROQ...
574
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000
♪ You gotta
keep 'em separated ♪
575
00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:31,180
[♪♪♪]
576
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,230
[Gurewitz]: ...and they
put it on the radio,
577
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:37,220
and the phones lit up
and didn't stop lighting up.
578
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,030
[♪♪♪]
579
00:25:41,050 --> 00:25:44,090
[Lindberg]: We went on tour
with the Offspring one time,
580
00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:46,030
they said, "Jim,
you want to drive with us?
581
00:25:46,050 --> 00:25:48,030
I want you to play
a bit of our new record."
582
00:25:48,050 --> 00:25:50,190
I sat in there and laid down,
583
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:52,200
and they gave me a Walkman...
584
00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:55,230
♪ They like
the latest fashion ♪
585
00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:58,130
♪ They're like
a spreading disease... ♪
586
00:25:58,150 --> 00:25:59,200
[Lindberg]:
...and I couldn't believe it,
587
00:25:59,220 --> 00:26:03,070
and I came back to Fletcher
the next day, and I said,
588
00:26:03,090 --> 00:26:08,050
"The new Offspring album
is going to sell millions,"
589
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:10,040
and he's all,
"Pfft, dude, you're high."
590
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:12,100
He was all, "Talk to me
when they sell 50,000,
591
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,150
like we did," you know.
592
00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:15,140
♪ They're gonna bash it up
bash it up ♪
593
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,060
♪ Bash it up, bash it up ♪
594
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,070
♪ Hey! ♪
595
00:26:18,090 --> 00:26:20,010
♪ Man, you talkin'
back to me? ♪
596
00:26:20,030 --> 00:26:23,040
♪ Take him out ♪
597
00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:26,040
Those records started selling so fast,
598
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:27,070
I couldn't press them fast enough.
599
00:26:27,090 --> 00:26:28,190
I couldn't believe it.
600
00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:30,030
I mean, nobody could believe it.
601
00:26:30,050 --> 00:26:34,000
That was the first
punk rock hit in America,
602
00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:37,040
and the next record to cross over
603
00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:39,110
was "Dookie," by Green Day.
604
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:41,220
[♪♪♪]
605
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:52,220
[Armstrong]: Me and Mike Dirnt,
we grew up together.
606
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,040
We've known each other since we were 10,
607
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:57,230
and we kind of started
playing music together
608
00:26:58,010 --> 00:27:01,010
when we were about 12, 13 years old,
609
00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:05,060
and playing, like, hard rock
and heavy metal,
610
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,210
just, like, having fun.
611
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:10,190
Gilman Street
612
00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:14,210
was our punk rock
all-ages non-profit club
613
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:16,020
in the Bay Area.
614
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,050
That's what really got me hooked.
615
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:20,090
There was, like, three bands
616
00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:23,120
that were sort of house bands
at Gilman Street.
617
00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:26,050
One was Operation Ivy, one was Isocracy,
618
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:28,020
and the other one was, um...
619
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,180
Crimpshrine, and we loved
all those bands.
620
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,060
Like, those were our heroes.
621
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,050
When I went to this place,
622
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:38,050
you'd see no violence,
no racism, no sexism,
623
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:41,000
no homophobia,
kind of attitude towards it,
624
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:43,000
I think it was just really important
625
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:46,130
on my growth as a human being,
personally,
626
00:27:46,150 --> 00:27:48,070
and to this day, the club's still around
627
00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:52,170
because it's still based
in those... those values.
628
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:54,020
[♪♪♪]
629
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,030
You, right there, that guy...
630
00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:56,080
That guy, right there.
631
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:58,140
Does everything sound even out?
632
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,110
Great!
633
00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:00,180
[♪♪♪]
634
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,230
Grab the lights!
635
00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:04,100
Come on in, everybody,
if anybody's out there...
636
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,160
[Armstrong]:
When Green Day first started,
637
00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:08,020
we were called "Sweet Children,"
638
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,190
and we couldn't get a gig,
we couldn't...
639
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:11,020
That was... the hardest part
640
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,060
about when you're starting in a band,
641
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,120
just trying to get a fucking gig
642
00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:16,220
is the hardest thing in the world.
643
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,180
It sucks.
644
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,230
I remember, it was like torture.
645
00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:22,220
♪ Here we go again,
infatuation ♪
646
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,020
♪ Touches me ♪
647
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,030
♪ Just when I thought
that it would end... ♪
648
00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:28,230
[Lindberg]:
They opened for us.
649
00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:30,140
No one was paying attention.
650
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,180
I was telling people, like,
651
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,100
"Wow, those guys are really good.
652
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:34,160
Did you hear that band?
653
00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:35,180
Like, they're amazing."
654
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,110
Laser-sharp harmonies
and catchy hooks...
655
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:41,030
[♪♪♪]
656
00:28:41,050 --> 00:28:43,160
♪ ...But to find that
it's not different at all ♪
657
00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:45,070
[Fat Mike]: I used to see them
playing backyard parties
658
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:46,120
in Oakland,
659
00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:48,170
and they drove to Minneapolis
once to play a show,
660
00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:50,150
from Oakland, and then drove back.
661
00:28:50,170 --> 00:28:52,040
All the bands that really made it,
662
00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:53,060
they put in their years.
663
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,030
[♪♪♪]
664
00:28:55,050 --> 00:28:56,110
♪ Oh yeah ♪
665
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:09,190
[crowd cheering]
666
00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:11,000
[song ends]
667
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,220
[Armstrong]:
We were growing faster
668
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,120
than our label was able
to get us out there,
669
00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:20,090
so it was hard,
670
00:29:20,110 --> 00:29:24,150
because, like,
how political the Bay Area is.
671
00:29:24,170 --> 00:29:27,020
It was...
672
00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:30,200
For us to sign to a major was...
673
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:33,090
it was like blasphemy.
674
00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:36,160
[Gurewitz]:
Green Day were touring
675
00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:38,200
in a bookmobile at the time.
676
00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:40,150
It's something the public
school system would use
677
00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:42,200
to bring books to schools,
like a mobile library...
678
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:44,160
and they were on tour with us,
679
00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:46,200
opening for us
on the Recipe for Hate tour.
680
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:48,140
They had just finished
recording "Dookie."
681
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,010
Every day, you know,
682
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:53,080
Jerry Finn would FedEx them some CDs,
683
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:56,010
and they'd be listening
to the mix in progress
684
00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:57,050
of "Dookie"
685
00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:58,000
in the bookmobile.
686
00:30:00,060 --> 00:30:02,080
[Armstrong]:
We took control of, like,
687
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,040
the way it was going to sound,
688
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:06,120
and the artwork was a big deal,
689
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:09,050
and having Bay Area artists work on it.
690
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:13,020
I just went deep into my soul,
691
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,010
and just tried to make the best record,
692
00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:16,130
and do it with all the heart
693
00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:19,150
that I could fuckin' put into it.
694
00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:25,050
There was a pressure
to make something that we loved.
695
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:27,080
♪ Do you have the time ♪
696
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:30,090
♪ To listen to me whine ♪
697
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:36,160
♪ About nothing and everything
all at once ♪
698
00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:40,000
♪ I am one of those
melodramatic fools... ♪
699
00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:41,130
[Marky Ramone]:
My opinion, great songs,
700
00:30:41,150 --> 00:30:43,150
very Ramones-influenced,
701
00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:45,000
but again,
702
00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:46,230
the minute you hear them,
you know it's Green Day.
703
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:48,040
That's important.
704
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:53,110
♪ Sometimes
I give myself the creeps ♪
705
00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:59,070
♪ Sometimes my mind
plays tricks on me ♪
706
00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:01,220
♪ It all keeps adding up ♪
707
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,050
♪ I think I'm cracking up... ♪
708
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:05,020
Good drummer.
709
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,020
♪ ...Am I just paranoid ♪
710
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,050
♪ Or am I just stoned? ♪
711
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:10,100
[♪♪♪]
712
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:16,100
♪ I went to a shrink ♪
713
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,170
♪ To analyze my dreams ♪
714
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:23,130
♪ She says it's lack of sex
that's bringing me down ♪
715
00:31:23,150 --> 00:31:25,150
[Lindberg]:
It's the total package.
716
00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:28,030
It sounds like the Beatles
717
00:31:28,050 --> 00:31:30,200
with a little more distortion
718
00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:33,040
and a little more angst.
719
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:36,020
[♪♪♪]
720
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,100
[Jesse Malin]: Green Day
did something on a level
721
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,190
where they were able
to reach a lot of people
722
00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:41,230
and still be a real band,
still have something to say.
723
00:31:42,010 --> 00:31:44,230
[♪♪♪]
724
00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:46,010
[Armstrong]: I think
there's a constant theme
725
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:48,090
throughout all my songs
726
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:51,230
is, like, anxiety
and feeling a bit... lost,
727
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:52,230
but loving it.
728
00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:54,000
[♪♪♪]
729
00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:56,020
Let's hear it for Green Day!
730
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,090
[crowd cheering]
731
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:59,220
And the winner of the
California Music Award is...
732
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,030
Green Day.
733
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:03,210
Oh, my god, look at these guys.
734
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:05,070
I love it!
735
00:32:07,170 --> 00:32:10,230
Green Day sold 10 million
records of "Dookie,"
736
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:13,050
where Nirvana had only sold
three million,
737
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:14,110
and...
738
00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:17,220
it wasn't just them,
but I think they led the way.
739
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,100
Green Day led the way.
740
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,090
The music industry is a fickle thing,
741
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:25,140
and, you know, they were looking for
742
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,000
"what is the next best thing?"
743
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:28,200
Grunge had been around
for about two years now.
744
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:30,040
What is the next best thing,
745
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:34,000
and "Dookie" was it,
and we were it, you know.
746
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:36,000
That Offspring record that I sold,
747
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:38,140
it sold 11 million records
around the world.
748
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,050
Every record on the label
started blowing up.
749
00:32:41,070 --> 00:32:45,090
Epitaph suddenly was a force of nature,
750
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:48,000
and that was the year punk broke.
751
00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:53,050
By '95, we were doing
$10 million in sales.
752
00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:55,130
Everyone was making a living,
bands were buying houses,
753
00:32:55,150 --> 00:32:57,100
and it was just weird.
754
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,200
You just put out records,
and everyone's buying them.
755
00:32:58,220 --> 00:32:59,200
That was great.
756
00:33:01,130 --> 00:33:03,050
[Noodles]: Things started
taking off really quickly.
757
00:33:03,070 --> 00:33:06,000
We'd been a band for
almost 10 years at that point,
758
00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:08,230
and we knew, "Okay,
this is changing."
759
00:33:09,010 --> 00:33:12,140
I had to think about
quitting my job as a janitor.
760
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,020
[chuckling]
761
00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:20,140
[♪♪♪]
762
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,100
[Kevin Lyman]: Around 1994,
763
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,180
I was still working
320 nights a year in the clubs,
764
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,100
working everywhere in the venues,
765
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,140
and I started to see
the music scene change,
766
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,200
because in the early punk days,
767
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:33,020
when I was working
in the clubs in the punk scene,
768
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,160
the bands would stay at your house.
769
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:35,140
We would all support it.
770
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,220
It was quite a community,
771
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,220
and as there was interest
kind of in that post-grunge era,
772
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,120
the major agents, major managers,
773
00:33:44,140 --> 00:33:45,140
people were getting involved.
774
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,060
It wasn't really an organic growth.
775
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,080
It was all of a sudden,
776
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:50,200
these bands were out
on their first tours,
777
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:52,060
and they were coming through the clubs,
778
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,180
and they weren't building
the relationships
779
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,080
that I saw in the punk days.
780
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,040
Say a few words.
781
00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:58,080
Hi, Mom.
782
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:59,150
This is what I do for a living.
783
00:33:59,170 --> 00:34:01,010
I went to college
for five years to do this shit.
784
00:34:01,030 --> 00:34:02,170
I love rock and roll.
785
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:04,140
I'd do it forever.
786
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,070
One of the aspects that
I thought about the Warped Tour
787
00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:07,190
was getting some of these bands
788
00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:09,070
that were all playing in the clubs
789
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:10,190
and building them together
790
00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:12,120
and trying to build
a community together,
791
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:14,120
so that was one concept.
792
00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:17,190
Two, skateboarding and punk
were natural in California...
793
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:19,110
[crowd cheering]
794
00:34:19,130 --> 00:34:20,210
[Lyman]: ...and I said,
"This whole lifestyle
795
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:22,090
that we lead in Southern California
796
00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:23,080
is going to come to a head,"
797
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:24,160
because someone had just mentioned
798
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:27,050
that they were going
to start the X Games,
799
00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:28,100
and I said, "You know what?
800
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,200
Why don't we go produce
our own music tour
801
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:33,150
before we're just working
for someone else doing it?"
802
00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:35,170
[♪♪♪]
803
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:44,020
No one knew what the Warped Tour was
804
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,160
that first year.
805
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:47,140
It was very unsuccessful,
806
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,050
and I really didn't think
807
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:50,160
we were going to get a second year,
808
00:34:50,180 --> 00:34:52,070
but then Pennywise signed up,
809
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:53,230
and then I hung out
with Fat Mike from NOFX,
810
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:55,160
and when they signed up,
811
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:57,140
they kind of lend that punk rock
credibility to it
812
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,160
that second year.
813
00:34:58,180 --> 00:35:01,010
I think it was
well worth the money, huh,
814
00:35:01,030 --> 00:35:02,010
all these bands?
815
00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:03,030
Give it up for the Warped Tour!
816
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:07,140
Lollapalooza sucks.
817
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,180
[Lindberg]: The Warped Tour
was just, like,
818
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,200
absolutely a summer camp
819
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:14,120
for miscreants and delinquents.
820
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:16,000
...two, three, four!
821
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:18,020
[♪♪♪]
822
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:21,140
[Ness]: You know,
we can fill a parking lot,
823
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,040
put a stage
and a traveling P.A.,
824
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:26,180
and some slop for food,
825
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,210
and, you know,
it was a great opportunity
826
00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:32,030
to play in front of
large groups of people
827
00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:33,030
in every city,
828
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:35,060
a lot of places we had never been yet.
829
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,210
♪ Talking about
the Moron Brothers ♪
830
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:39,140
♪ Tattooed fingers
tattooed toes ♪
831
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,090
[Lindberg]: It's hot as fuck,
832
00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:43,040
stadium parking lots,
833
00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:47,050
no atmosphere whatsoever,
hardcore, asphalt...
834
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:49,070
We're all playing incredibly fast.
835
00:35:49,090 --> 00:35:53,090
The crowd is just, like,
a swirling mass of humanity.
836
00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:54,220
And boy, does it stink out there,
837
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,060
and not only that,
838
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,110
my balls are sticking
to my legs like crazy, man.
839
00:35:59,130 --> 00:36:01,130
[Fat Mike]: Man, I got
to tour with Joan Jett
840
00:36:01,150 --> 00:36:02,140
on the Warped Tour.
841
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,060
We used to park our buses
next to each other
842
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,040
and have a blow-up pool,
843
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:08,130
and you only have to play
a half-hour set...
844
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:10,120
Genius.
845
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:13,100
[song ends]
846
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,210
Thanks.
847
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:16,060
I can't hear my vocals.
848
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Hey, did you guys see that snot,
849
00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:19,170
like, coming out of my nose
the whole time?
850
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:21,020
[Fat Mike]:
But the Warped Tour,
851
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,130
it really made punk available
to 12-to 14-year-olds
852
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:26,220
all over the country.
853
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:30,190
[Lyman]:
Punk was, you know...
854
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:32,070
"Fuck corporate America"
was on every skateboard,
855
00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:33,130
that's what everyone said.
856
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,000
My idea was to go get
some of their money
857
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:40,200
to help bring some of this music
to a larger audience.
858
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:42,140
We never made money on tickets.
859
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,170
I wouldn't have been able
to do it without their support,
860
00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:46,040
and it didn't work for some acts.
861
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:48,020
There was two things that Green Day said
862
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,130
they would never do in life...
863
00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:52,150
play the Warped Tour
and watch "Titanic."
864
00:36:55,210 --> 00:36:58,010
So that first day that
they played the Warped Tour,
865
00:36:58,030 --> 00:37:00,120
I taped a copy of the "Titanic"
to their tour bus
866
00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:01,190
and said, "Now you can say
you've done both."
867
00:37:01,210 --> 00:37:04,070
You've got to love
playing on the Warped Tour,
868
00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:07,180
because it's always great bands,
including yourselves,
869
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,130
and the kids just eat it up.
870
00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:10,150
Oh, it's great, you know?
871
00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:13,090
I mean, it's like, NOFX is a great band.
872
00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:16,080
MxPx is a great band, you know,
873
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,030
One Man Army, Flogging Molly.
874
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:19,070
I mean, bands like that
875
00:37:19,090 --> 00:37:21,200
have always been around
for years, you know,
876
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:24,130
and it's just nobody
knows about it, you know?
877
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:25,180
Punk has been, like,
878
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,120
one of the best-kept secrets
in the world,
879
00:37:27,140 --> 00:37:28,150
and we sort of went around
880
00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:29,200
and blabbed to everybody about it, so...
881
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:31,060
[laughter]
882
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,210
[♪♪♪]
883
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:36,050
[Lyman]:
Tony Alva one time came up
884
00:37:36,070 --> 00:37:38,210
and head-butted me at a venue,
885
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:40,030
at a club one night.
886
00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:42,120
He head-butted me,
hit me in the side of the head,
887
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:45,120
and he goes, "You fuckin'
ruined punk rock,"
888
00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:46,180
um...
889
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,050
and this is where
that branding and sellout
890
00:37:49,070 --> 00:37:51,150
can kind of come into play
or whatever, you know...
891
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:53,200
you know, people always go,
"Oh, you sold out punk rock,"
892
00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:55,020
and I'm like, "No,
893
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,160
I figured out how to bring it
to more people, actually,
894
00:37:57,180 --> 00:37:59,100
because I thought it was
so important to me."
895
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,000
You know, people need to be heard.
896
00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:02,050
I think this whole, you know...
897
00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:03,120
sometimes money,
898
00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:07,160
we get told that we're sellouts,
or, you know...
899
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:09,040
because we figured out
900
00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:11,160
how to make a living
with something we love?
901
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:14,030
There's always going to be
the 10% of the hardcore
902
00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:16,100
that hate you for
no matter what you do in life,
903
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,150
but 90% appreciated that...
904
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:20,210
and they were okay with it
kind of being brought up.
905
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:24,130
[Gurewitz]: I got
my fair share of criticism
906
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:26,060
for "selling out punk,"
907
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,180
and it was surprising to people
908
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,130
to see an Offspring record
in a chain store.
909
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:37,080
While I personally
considered it a victory,
910
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:38,210
I was, you know, I loved punk rock,
911
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:42,020
and I wanted to bring it to the masses,
912
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,210
there were elements of the punk scene
913
00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:46,050
that they wanted to keep it
to themselves,
914
00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:48,170
and were a little more elitist about it,
915
00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:51,000
and said, "Hey,
you're selling out our scene.
916
00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:54,050
We don't wanna see
punk records in chain stores."
917
00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:56,140
I would much rather see punk
becoming popular
918
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,180
than automatic rifles,
919
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,040
or religion,
920
00:39:00,060 --> 00:39:02,170
or any other thing that nobody
seems to be worried about.
921
00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:05,140
[Noodles]: I mean,
as soon as "Smash" was out,
922
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,190
immediately we started
getting a backlash
923
00:39:07,210 --> 00:39:10,170
from some people
in the punk rock community.
924
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:13,210
It was really kind of...
kind of funny to me.
925
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:15,110
We'd been a band for 10 years,
926
00:39:15,130 --> 00:39:17,220
and these kids had been into it
for a couple years.
927
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,170
The punky colors
928
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:21,110
hadn't even started
running down their face,
929
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:24,140
and they're protesting us
out front of our clubs,
930
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,090
and calling us sellouts,
at small venues too.
931
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:29,040
This was the very first tour.
932
00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:31,060
So that was kind of laughable, you know?
933
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,040
I just kind of thought
these kids were being elitist,
934
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:34,100
and, like, "Punk rock
is not for everybody.
935
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,220
It's only for us,"
936
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,100
and I kind of thought,
I've always thought
937
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,010
the more people that heard this stuff,
938
00:39:40,030 --> 00:39:41,140
the more people would love it, you know?
939
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,190
So I didn't get that.
940
00:39:42,210 --> 00:39:45,110
The truth is, Offspring's
from Huntington Beach.
941
00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:48,060
We're from Hermosa Beach,
942
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,230
where a band called Black Flag
came from.
943
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:53,190
[crowd cheering]
944
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:56,150
Yeah, now we're going to play
a little Black Flag tune
945
00:39:56,170 --> 00:39:57,140
for you right now.
946
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,180
[cheering]
947
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,070
[Lindberg]: We didn't want
to be seen as sellouts,
948
00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:01,230
you know?
949
00:40:02,010 --> 00:40:05,040
That was the ultimate insult,
950
00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:08,050
and we immediately got
really defensive about that.
951
00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:10,010
For a while there,
952
00:40:10,030 --> 00:40:12,070
people started getting major deals,
953
00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:13,200
and getting the big money,
954
00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:17,050
and it became a little dicey, of, like,
955
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:19,130
who's going to stay true to the label,
956
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:20,210
and we wanted to be that band.
957
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:23,120
We were never going
to give up on our label,
958
00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:25,160
and we were going to be loyal
no matter what,
959
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:28,120
and anyone who did that was on the outs,
960
00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:31,070
and in hindsight, it was just lame,
961
00:40:31,090 --> 00:40:33,160
and it, you know,
wasn't really right for us
962
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:36,040
to come down on the bands that...
963
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,120
that, you know, signed
a major deal or whatever.
964
00:40:39,140 --> 00:40:40,220
People are going to do what they want.
965
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:44,050
[Sparks]:
People called us sellouts
966
00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:47,020
for signing to Slash Records.
967
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,010
Listen, we wanted
to infiltrate suburbia,
968
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:54,040
and reach out, you know,
969
00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:57,040
be on TV so those kids really isolated
970
00:40:57,060 --> 00:40:59,130
and alienated in the suburbs
971
00:40:59,150 --> 00:41:03,090
would see possibly some freaks on MTV
972
00:41:03,110 --> 00:41:04,090
that they could relate to,
973
00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:07,090
which would hopefully be us.
974
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:12,050
The only time punk rock lost its way
975
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:18,010
is when any good, powerful,
potent art loses its way.
976
00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:19,230
It's when they let
the money people come in,
977
00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:22,210
and I think there was a period
978
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:26,050
where a lot of good bands
got whisked up,
979
00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:29,100
up to the, you know,
up into business class,
980
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,160
and suddenly the bands are good actors
981
00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:33,160
because they have to be
in front of a camera,
982
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:36,210
and the fans went,
"Who are you, man?"
983
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:37,220
like, and "What's this album?
984
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,100
What's this crap?"
985
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,090
"Well, we brought in
this producer, like..."
986
00:41:41,110 --> 00:41:43,090
[scoffing] "He doesn't know
who you are."
987
00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:45,020
And that's the biggest thing, man,
988
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,080
because, like, we are, like,
some of, like,
989
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:48,210
we're really true to playing music,
990
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:50,130
and writing music is, you know,
991
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:52,020
we've been doing it all of our lives,
992
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,150
and so, you know,
and so much money, and...
993
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:55,220
you, like, begin to think,
994
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,050
"What the fuck am I,
995
00:41:57,070 --> 00:41:58,180
just a fuckin' puppet
to these people?" you know,
996
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,230
it's like, you know,
997
00:42:00,010 --> 00:42:02,090
you get treated like
you're on display, you know?
998
00:42:02,110 --> 00:42:04,070
It's like you're like
a mannequin in a store window--
999
00:42:04,090 --> 00:42:07,070
"This is our product," you know?
1000
00:42:07,090 --> 00:42:09,170
Green Day didn't sell out.
1001
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:11,150
None of those bands did.
1002
00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:13,130
They're playing their style of music,
1003
00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:15,210
and it finally got popular.
1004
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:17,050
There was no selling out.
1005
00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:19,100
Selling out's when you change your style
1006
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,200
to play music that people might like.
1007
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,190
[Ness]:
In one aspect, it's like,
1008
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:30,110
well, there's more people
to hear what you have to say.
1009
00:42:30,130 --> 00:42:31,230
The other side of that
1010
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:37,150
is that when something cool
becomes popular,
1011
00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:42,050
it can become uncool.
1012
00:42:42,070 --> 00:42:46,190
[Homme]: I always felt bad
for Green Day or Nirvana,
1013
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:48,170
because you could see
that they're wearing it.
1014
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:50,110
"Is it something I did?"
1015
00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:51,100
Yeah, it's... I mean...
1016
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,150
Yeah, everyone likes it.
1017
00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:54,080
It's so good, everyone likes it.
1018
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:55,180
Sorry about that.
1019
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,010
That's part of the rules
1020
00:42:57,030 --> 00:43:00,060
of when punk rock
got into rules like that.
1021
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,100
"You're free to do what you want
inside this box."
1022
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,060
That's not free to do anything.
1023
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,210
If you're in a situation
1024
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:10,150
where the marketplace
1025
00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:13,000
or the industry is calling the shots,
1026
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:15,020
it no longer grows.
1027
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,160
It doesn't evolve, because people stop.
1028
00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:17,190
There's an orthodoxy,
1029
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:23,070
but for me, like,
I think punk is the free space.
1030
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:27,090
It's an area in which
new ideas can be presented
1031
00:43:27,110 --> 00:43:31,000
without having to follow...
1032
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:32,120
profit only,
1033
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:36,120
because it was never about the business.
1034
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:38,180
It was just about...
1035
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200
It was about the music.
1036
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,080
[Armstrong]: I don't know,
I mean, I was just...
1037
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:48,160
Music was just kind of
something that I did.
1038
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:52,040
It's like I never think of what I do
1039
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:54,080
as a brand for anything.
1040
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:56,120
Like, I just try to make great records
1041
00:43:56,140 --> 00:44:01,100
and, like, write songs
with all my heart,
1042
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,000
and that's the only thing
that I can go by.
1043
00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:09,090
Now, the way that people
consume, you know...
1044
00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:12,120
if it's good, it should be popular.
1045
00:44:12,140 --> 00:44:13,220
That's what NOFX always did.
1046
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,110
We didn't try to be on the radio,
1047
00:44:17,130 --> 00:44:19,170
or play music that people would like.
1048
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:21,060
We play music that we like,
1049
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,060
and people like that.
1050
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,080
A lot of people like it,
1051
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:26,010
and then, uh, yeah,
the Internet happened.
1052
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:28,020
It's always been legal
1053
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,140
to share music with your friends.
1054
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,100
What Napster does, via the Internet,
1055
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,170
is to give you 50 million friends.
1056
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:38,150
Not surprisingly,
the industry didn't like it.
1057
00:44:38,170 --> 00:44:41,180
They were worried music fans
would stop buying CDs.
1058
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,050
They argued their copyright
was being infringed.
1059
00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:47,010
[man]:
Napster has built a business
1060
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:50,020
on the basis of taking
what someone else owns
1061
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,040
and making it available.
1062
00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:56,180
Well, the Internet, you know, uh,
1063
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,160
ruined the CD industry.
1064
00:45:00,220 --> 00:45:04,140
We saw it coming,
and I just tried to ignore it.
1065
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,030
I knew it was going
to screw up everything,
1066
00:45:07,050 --> 00:45:09,140
but, you know... [sighs]
you can't fight it.
1067
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,140
You can't get upset.
1068
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,050
Well, for me, I mean,
1069
00:45:12,070 --> 00:45:15,020
I'm pretty Internet illiterate,
1070
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,000
so at first it just really confused me.
1071
00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:19,190
I was like, "Wow,
people are getting music
1072
00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:20,210
at the, you know,
1073
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:22,140
it's at the tip
of their fingers."
1074
00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:26,030
I mean, back in the day,
we used to trade tapes,
1075
00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:28,080
and we used to, you know,
1076
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:32,010
sell our shit, like,
out of the back of our van.
1077
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,050
[Noodles]:
"Pretty Fly for a White Guy"
1078
00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:35,110
was reportedly
1079
00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:37,230
one of the most illegally
downloaded songs of all time.
1080
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:39,230
One of the funnest things
we did, though, actually,
1081
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:42,050
this was even before,
I think, "Americana,"
1082
00:45:42,070 --> 00:45:44,030
or maybe around the time,
1083
00:45:44,050 --> 00:45:45,060
maybe it was right after "Americana,"
1084
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,230
was we bootlegged Napster T-shirts
1085
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:49,150
and offered them for sale
on our website,
1086
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:52,010
and they sent us
a "cease and desist" letter.
1087
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:57,000
I really think if anything
killed punk rock or music,
1088
00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:58,080
it was the Internet.
1089
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:01,040
It took away everything visceral
1090
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:03,060
and tangible about the music.
1091
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:05,150
[Fat Mike]: So now,
1092
00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:07,080
when Fat Records puts out a record,
1093
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:11,230
we sell 10%
of what we sold 10 years ago.
1094
00:46:12,010 --> 00:46:14,080
You know, we profit a little.
1095
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,020
We make lots of vinyl.
1096
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,040
Bands are stoked,
1097
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:18,160
and the really interesting thing is
1098
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:21,160
what happened to punk rock
because of the Internet
1099
00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:25,000
is bands realized they couldn't
make a living anymore
1100
00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:28,010
by touring or putting out records,
1101
00:46:28,030 --> 00:46:29,230
and they realized why
they started in the first place
1102
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:32,170
is because they love
to make music and to do this.
1103
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,100
People like to say that punk rock died
1104
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,190
or punk rock's dead,
1105
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:39,210
but you know what?
1106
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:41,100
You're just not going
to the right places.
1107
00:46:43,180 --> 00:46:46,190
As soon as somebody decides
what punk is,
1108
00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:50,030
people who are really punk
just duck under,
1109
00:46:50,050 --> 00:46:51,160
or go around,
1110
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:53,060
and say, "Okay, have fun with your punk.
1111
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,130
We're going to be punk
over here."
1112
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:58,110
[Rollins]: So when people say
music sucks now,
1113
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:59,220
I wouldn't say,
"No, you suck now."
1114
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,120
I would just say, "No,
you're looking over there.
1115
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:03,150
Look over here."
1116
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:04,140
"Ah, hey."
1117
00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:09,050
[Hanna]: Punk will die
if it doesn't change.
1118
00:47:09,070 --> 00:47:11,100
If it just becomes a documentary
1119
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,150
where all us old farts
are, like, fuckin' talking
1120
00:47:13,170 --> 00:47:15,010
about shit that happened
1121
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:16,220
a hundred thousand million years ago,
1122
00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:20,150
you know, that's not punk.
1123
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:23,090
It's what kids are doing right now.
1124
00:47:23,110 --> 00:47:26,100
[singing in English and Japanese]
1125
00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:31,230
[♪♪♪]
1126
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,060
[Armstrong]: Nowadays, I think
with a lot of young bands,
1127
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,170
music has become
almost genre-fluid, you know.
1128
00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:50,080
Like, kids are able to, like,
1129
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:52,070
take elements of, like, hip-hop,
1130
00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:55,110
and take elements of punk, and grunge,
1131
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:56,160
and electronic music,
1132
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:58,000
and to kind of turn that
1133
00:47:58,020 --> 00:48:00,100
into sort of this weird melting pot,
1134
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,110
I think is, like, fuckin' awesome.
1135
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:05,180
[♪♪♪]
1136
00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:08,210
♪ Street power! ♪
1137
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:10,170
♪ No time for the weak
I'm just tryna survive ♪
1138
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:12,100
♪ Street power! ♪
1139
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,230
[♪♪♪]
1140
00:48:15,210 --> 00:48:16,230
[Lindberg]:
I think a lot of that
1141
00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:19,000
has to do with the political context
1142
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:20,100
of what's going on,
1143
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,100
and we've always seen
in times of upheaval,
1144
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,020
really great,
confrontational music come out.
1145
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,100
It's a bit like Batman.
1146
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,210
Like, "When the time is right
and you need me most,
1147
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:32,080
I will be there," you know,
1148
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:33,110
because it is a youth...
1149
00:48:33,130 --> 00:48:35,040
it's that youth expression of outrage,
1150
00:48:35,060 --> 00:48:38,190
and there's a lot to be outraged at.
1151
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:40,190
♪ Are you entertained? ♪
1152
00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:44,000
[♪♪♪]
1153
00:48:52,070 --> 00:48:53,150
[Sylvain Sylvain]:
And, you know,
1154
00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:55,130
we had to do what we had to do then,
1155
00:48:55,150 --> 00:48:56,150
and I think
1156
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:59,190
you guys have to do
what you have to do now.
1157
00:48:59,210 --> 00:49:03,200
So it all comes around
full circle, you know,
1158
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:06,000
but I think it's more relevant than ever
1159
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:07,160
in today's times.
1160
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:11,120
[♪♪♪]
1161
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:14,070
[Darryl Jenifer]: Your music
could sound harsh,
1162
00:49:14,090 --> 00:49:16,090
but stick with love, positivity, unity,
1163
00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:18,050
all the good things in life,
1164
00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:20,170
and make that the basis of your music,
1165
00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:22,000
and then you're gonna be fine.
1166
00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:24,000
Sounds like hippie shit, but...
1167
00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:25,030
I'm buying that more
1168
00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:27,050
than fuckin' being negative about it,
1169
00:49:27,070 --> 00:49:28,120
you know what I mean?
1170
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:29,100
The world has been
1171
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,080
in much worse places than it is now.
1172
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:33,010
Much, much, much worse.
1173
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:34,030
We're gonna get through this,
1174
00:49:34,050 --> 00:49:36,010
and I believe that right now, there's...
1175
00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:39,170
people are gonna respond creatively.
1176
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:41,010
[Wayne Kramer]:
Music, by itself,
1177
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:43,170
I don't believe
can actually create a change,
1178
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:46,090
but it certainly has a role to play
1179
00:49:46,110 --> 00:49:50,090
in motivating people,
in organizing people,
1180
00:49:50,110 --> 00:49:53,090
and focusing people
on things that matter.
1181
00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:55,210
Where if you have something to say,
1182
00:49:55,230 --> 00:49:59,050
and you can join forces
with other people,
1183
00:49:59,070 --> 00:50:01,070
and if you can feel each other's energy,
1184
00:50:01,090 --> 00:50:03,010
you can create bigger change.
1185
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:05,010
You know, we're going
to support each other
1186
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:06,060
and do this.
1187
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,220
We're in this small thing together
1188
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,130
against the world.
1189
00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:11,220
Just write the song,
or go out and play it,
1190
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,040
if that's what you're feeling right now.
1191
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:14,230
Who cares if it's got a chorus or not?
1192
00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:16,090
You're going out and speaking the truth.
1193
00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:18,090
We didn't know
how to write fucking songs.
1194
00:50:18,110 --> 00:50:20,040
We didn't know there was keys.
1195
00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:21,140
We didn't know any of that shit.
1196
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,180
That's a lot of what has allowed punk
1197
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,050
to keep being reborn over the years.
1198
00:50:28,070 --> 00:50:30,100
There's always gonna be some little punk
1199
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,040
saying to him or herself,
1200
00:50:33,060 --> 00:50:34,140
"I could do that."
1201
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,020
"I'm gonna pick up a guitar.
1202
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,180
I don't care
if I can't sing, can't play.
1203
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,170
I'm gonna do that."
1204
00:50:38,190 --> 00:50:41,000
Make your own damn label.
1205
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:42,030
Who cares about someone's damn opinion?
1206
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:44,020
Press the thing up, let's go.
1207
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,030
That's what punk rock means to me.
1208
00:50:46,050 --> 00:50:48,010
Let's determine our outcome.
1209
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:49,180
Let's form the future.
1210
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,180
Make up your own fuckin' mind, you know?
1211
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,110
Don't listen to anyone.
1212
00:50:54,130 --> 00:50:55,160
Don't listen to the media.
1213
00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:57,030
Don't listen to the Internet.
1214
00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:59,200
Especially do not listen
to this fuckin' government.
1215
00:50:59,220 --> 00:51:02,070
Someone has to tell people
what's going on,
1216
00:51:02,090 --> 00:51:03,190
paint what we see,
1217
00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:06,030
and paint what we think
other people should see,
1218
00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:07,230
and that's up to the artists.
1219
00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:09,230
I've learned that telling the truth
1220
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:14,180
is a very good way of life,
1221
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,230
and if the rest of the world
can understand
1222
00:51:17,010 --> 00:51:21,030
that different points of view
make you better,
1223
00:51:21,050 --> 00:51:22,150
not worse,
1224
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:25,060
then we have a universe worth living in.
1225
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,010
So that's punk.
1226
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:28,170
That to me is punk rock.
1227
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:31,050
That is punk, absolutely.
That is punk.
1228
00:51:31,070 --> 00:51:32,210
That, to me, is punk.
1229
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:34,060
You know, that's...
1230
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,060
that's punk.
1231
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,160
That's punk.
1232
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:39,110
That's not jazz. That's punk.
1233
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:42,030
[♪♪♪]
1234
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:50,030
[♪♪♪]